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Politics 2.0

Postby ktcarleton » Tue Oct 05, 2010 9:09 pm

www.newsweek.com/2010/10/05/supreme-cou ... -case.html

To sum up, the Supreme Court is going to hear the case against that Baptist church that protests at Military funerals, believing their deaths are 'God's punishment' for tolerating homosexuals in America. I'm a very religious person, but still find this appalling. Still, is it their right as American citizens, via the 1st amendment, the protest in this way?
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Re: Politics 2.0

Postby Seamus O'Seamus » Tue Oct 05, 2010 9:48 pm

You know someone's bad when the KKK has to put up a disclaimer saying that they aren't affiliated with them.
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Re: Politics 2.0

Postby mikekearn » Tue Oct 05, 2010 11:55 pm

First Amendment rights don't cover hate speech. You have the right to say what you want as long as you don't infringe on other peoples' rights. Protesting in large groups without a permit and harassing other people at a funeral are both illegal. I don't know why all those people haven't been arrested and thrown away forever already.

Speaking of the Supreme Court, though, you guys may know that the video game lawsuit California put forth is going to the Supreme Court. Governor Schwarzenegger wants to ban the sale of violent video games to youths, punishable by law, and many people are fighting it on the basis that that is truly against the First Amendment. Yet, somewhat ironically, I think, the Governor also recently passed a bill that reduces possession of marijuana to nothing but a fine, so having drugs is no worse than a parking ticket.

I happen to agree that I think there are more important things to be fighting than drugs, but apparently for Schwarzenegger, those more important things are video games.

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Re: Politics 2.0

Postby Owen » Mon Oct 11, 2010 9:53 pm

ktcarleton wrote:Still, is it their right as American citizens, via the 1st amendment, the protest in this way?

Basically what Mike said - they can protest, but turning up to a funeral and protesting is basically harassment (and a court has ruled it as such before, in their case). They can say it, but they should say it elsewhere.

For what it's worth and easy as it is to hate them (see their website http://www.godhatesfags.com if you want, be warned it's unsurprisingly horrible), though, the WBC is a bad joke. They protest because it gets them exposure, but honestly it's a small church and most of them are related to each other.

mikekearn wrote:I happen to agree that I think there are more important things to be fighting than drugs, but apparently for Schwarzenegger, those more important things are video games.

I will never understand politicians.

It's the old classic - it looks good to parents and it's not expensive to enforce. Never mind evidence-based policymaking, that comes later :(
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Re: Politics 2.0

Postby mikekearn » Mon Oct 11, 2010 10:51 pm

Owen wrote:most of them are related to each other

That would explain a lot of their mental problems. Bazinga!
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Re: Politics 2.0

Postby mistercow.pinoy » Sun Nov 14, 2010 3:05 am

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Re: Politics 2.0

Postby mikekearn » Sun Nov 14, 2010 4:23 am

Sigh. The government is supposed to be by the people, for the people. It seems like every day new things come up that further convince me we should burn everything down and start over again.
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Re: Politics 2.0

Postby Owen » Sun Nov 14, 2010 9:42 am

I think what makes this kind of thing so hard to beat is that it's actually well-intentioned. It starts out as a bid to block illegal websites - child porn, that kind of thing. Those kinds of websites already get shutdown all the time. But it won't be long before they start blocking websites like the PirateBay - again, arguably fair enough? - or perhaps any other websites that industry may recommend, which is trickier. And given the reaction to the stuff that was posted on Wikileaks recently I could imagine that being blocked too... it just goes downhill.

I tend to dislike the "slippery-slope" argument, as a rule, but this seems to be a good place for it. Anyway, I signed the petition. If you're outside the US you'll need to delete the words "zip code" from the box before sending.
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Re: Politics 2.0

Postby icehsm » Sun Nov 14, 2010 1:21 pm

mikekearn wrote:the Governor also recently passed a bill that reduces possession of marijuana to nothing but a fine, so having drugs is no worse than a parking ticket.

I happen to agree that I think there are more important things to be fighting than drugs, .

>implying marijuana is any worse than alcohol or tobacoo
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Re: Politics 2.0

Postby mikekearn » Sun Nov 14, 2010 7:41 pm

I don't care about health effects (what people want to do to themselves is their business) but I do care about the mind-altering effects. I think tobacco is about on par with caffeine for that - it's a stimulant, after all. Alcohol, though, impairs your brain's functions, which marijuana can also do. Therefore it should be regulated the same way. You should be allowed to buy it and consume as much as you want in private, but driving while stoned should be the same as driving while drunk as far as punishments go. That sort of thing.

I'm not saying everything should be legalized, but I think the massive restrictions on most drugs are ridiculous.
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